Console Gaming

[r1cha]

I read elsewhere earlier that if you start off a race using the manual gearstick but not the clutch until you have been through all the gears, and then use the clutch, it works. Does make a mockery of having the clutch though but in the quest for that "real" feeling I would still rather depress it (rather than right now where IT is depressing ME!).

[DetroitJake]

Last night I played GT5 for PS3 with a G27.

As those of you that are reading this know, there are many wheels with full GT5 support, but you can NOT select a G27 wheel in the controller settings for GT5 right now.

And so far it seems I can NOT configure the buttons on the G27.

(I tried to change the buttons on other wheels, etc, but seems no affect to the operation of the G27)

HOWEVER, the G27 DOES work OK with GT5 for most things.

This is what I have observed so far:

PADDLE SHIFTERS

L2 / R2 Paddle shifters are correctly assigned and function as paddle shifters.

RED BUTTONS ON THE WHEEL

The top red button on the left side of the wheel seems to function as L1 and gives rear view during racing.

The other red buttons on the wheel don't seem to do anything.

RED BUTTONS ON THE SHIFTER

On the shifter, the middle left red button functions as SELECT which allows in game view changes.

The middle right red button on the shifter functions as START which allows you to pause the game, etc.

The other red buttons on the shifter don't seem to do anything.

BLACK BUTTONS ON THE SHIFTER

The X , Circle, Triangle, Square button seemed to be configured as the four black buttons on the shifter in the same pattern as a PS3 controller.

During racing, the Circle functions as E Break.

During racing, the Triangle functions as Reverse.

The X & Square don't seem to do anything else in race.

During menus, the X functions as enter.

During menus, the circle functions as back.

D PAD ON THE SHIFTER

The D Pad also works correctly for menus.

D-Right works as view right during racing.

D-Left functions as view left during racing.

D-Up seems no function during racing.

D-Down functions as view back during racing.

WHEEL

The wheel works correctly.

Force feedback works correctly.

The RPM LED's do light up and correspond to engine RPM.

PEDALS

The accelerator works correctly.

The brake works correctly.

And yes, the clutch works correctly.

SHIFTER

The shifter also works correctly.

One point of note:  When shifting to reverse, if it feels like reverse doesn't work, don't confuse your self (I was confused).  It does work!

If you let the clutch out before you give the engine some fuel, you'll stall the motor and the car won't move (Just like a lot of real cars eh?!)

So don't forget to give a little accel pedal before letting the clutch out if you want to go in reverse.

REQUEST TO LOGITECH

On the Logitech website, the G27 does list that it can be used with GT5, which is true but only partially.

However, please try to work with Polyphony Digital to get full support of the G27 for GT5.

I already have a Driving Force GT too, but I was really excited about the clutch, shifter and build quality of the G27.

I bought both of these wheels for GT5 (the Driving Force GT was for GT prologue).  I'm sure we all would appreciate full support for the for the more capable G27.  And hey, it cost more!  Wouldn't you rather sell a G27 than a GT?  But knowing that the GT has full support for GT5, a lot of customers will shy away from the G27.

Thanks guys!

-PS3 Racing Fan

[r1cha]

Clutch/Manual Gearchange - no it doesnt.

[Kaelell]

Everything above user listed as working and key assignments I can confirm as being the same for me. Clutch/Gear shift work.

With regards to windscreen wipers, I found that if you have a dual shock controler assigned as player 1, it lets you press the R2 buttom to enable windscreen wipers and continue to race with your G27.

[r1cha]

Got home and tried the theory I posted above.

Start a race, dont touch the clutch. Off you go, change to 2nd but dont use the clutch, change to third and 4th, dont touch the clutch. Now use the clutch and all is well.

On one occasion mid race it started going into neutral again, just change without the clutch and it sorts it immediately and you can continue.

Of course you could just not use the clutch but it feels too wierd to me.

Hopefully Logitech and Polyphony will pull their socks up and patch thegame for proper support of the G25/27 but for now, it'll do.

[LARacerInUK]

Re - DetroitJake

Could you please comment for us on the 'feel' of the car in GT5 using the DFGT versus the G27? I just bought a racing chair and G27 to fully enjoy GT5 (waiting for UPS as I type!) and I'm getting concerned by some things I'm reading online. I can excuse a few things but I would not want to go through the game getting a worse car feel through the wheel of the G27 than I could through the older DFGT. (I also have an old Driving Force Pro that I can compare it to I guess).

Does the G27 have as good or better feel than the DF GT?

Thank you.

[MixTape]

I second DetroitJake's findings, and definately second his request to Logitech to sort this out.
Actually, I feel a bit cheated by the "Supported games" section for the G27 as it's not entirely true. Thankfully though, as stated before, what works is really great, maybe not just according to the price tag if you buy this wheel for Gran Turismo 5 alone.

Being a PC gamer that just recently started gaming on console too, I had not fully realised the (closed) nature of console gaming. We'll see what happens.

Cross post from another GT5 + G27 thread that leaves me less confident Logitech and Polyphony Digital can sort out the last few quirks, but the problem seems to be in software (well, and firmware) so it's not impossible:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Console-Gaming/G27-and-GT5/m-p/518313#M155

[Kaelell]

@ R1cha,

On my second play of the game, I found the clutch did stop working, or rather whatever I unintentionaly did on the first play I had missed the second time around. I tried various combinations of not using clutch, changing gears, using the clutch from the start, etc to no avail, then I tried the trick from GT prologue where you press triangle at the start of the race. and that seemed to work, and every race from then on worked with the clutch right from the start. However because I must of done a number of things before clicking triangle I am not certain this was the definate resolution, but try it. I will be trying again later tonight in a more scientific , controlled test.

The second point you mentioned about it sometimes going into neutral instead of the gear is something I too experienced and is a major problem as it could happen any time during an intense race or license test.

[LARacerInUK]

@Kaelell

Are you are sure that the car you're testing with has a clutch? With one of the Premium Eunos/Miatas the clutch worked fine for me. In the race countdown I just put in the clutch and shifted the shifter from 1st to 2nd to 1st again as I might in a real car to make sure I was in the proper gear. Another newer 'concept' mini car I won as a prize did not work with the clutch, I imagine because it's a CVT or double-clutch sequential gearbox.

I noticed some times ending up in Neutral unintentionally, but I felt that this was a good simulation that I had probably 'missed a shift' as no doubt I would from time to time in the heat of a real race. I felt some blame when it happened, is what I mean.

[DetroitJake]

FEEL OF G27 COMPARED TO THE DRIVING FORCE GT

To LARacerUK:

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I haven't had my DFGT out in a while as I've been waiting to play GT5!

But according to my memory of the DFGT, I'll make these comments:

The G27 wheel feedback is about the same as the DFGT.

Both feel amazing to me.

The helical gearing in the G27 is nice in that the wheel makes less noise and might feel just a tad smoother than the DFGT which doesn't have the same gear mesh.

The pedals on the G27 feel quite a lot better than the DFGT.  The spring force feels more realistic, and of course the stainless looks and feels uber cool.

Also the paddle shifters feel really nice on the G27 compared to the equivalent buttons on the DFGT.

Of course the big point of the G27 is the clutch and shifter, and I'm really excited to be able to add that dimension to GT5.  And the bummer is, the lack of full support for the G27 for GT5.

CLUTCH / NEUTRAL PROBLEMS?

To those that commented about getting stuck in neutral or the clutch not working:

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For the most part, it feels like it works pretty good to me.  I really enjoy shifting gears rather than using automatics or paddle shifters all the time, which feels like cheating sometimes.  But, I too have had some bad shifts.  As of yet, I attribute most of it to my lack of driving skill, but it could be hardware / software problems too.  I may try some experiments.  If I can nail something down, I'll share comments.  

Happy racing!