G-Series Gaming Keyboards

[dankerr]

Programmers, please help us ALL.  I would say that 95% of people who get this G13 GameBoard to play games do NOT know how to write Script, that means that only about 5% do.

Could you please take a look a Pinnacle Game Profiler and add a couple of their options to this G13 GameBoard.

These options the most- a "CYCLE" option.

Lets say I want to assign G10 to CROUCH,  Go PRONE, AND STAND when I press them.  (MOST of us don't know how to write script, and we definitely don't want to wait 24-48hrs waiting for someone to write Script for us.)

This should work where I press it once I go to CROUCH, 2nd Time, back to STAND, and I press and HOLD to go to PRONE, and if I wanted back up to Stand, I would have to press twice to go from Prone to Crouch to Stand.

I'm asking if you will put these options in your "MACRO EDITOR"

Where we can have Multilple Button Movements (options) under 1 button, BUT not all of them under just 1 button PRESS.

Maybe when I hit "RECORD" it would look like this...

Here are the default buttons I will be using.-  C=Crouch   X=Prone   V=Stand

Assigning G10- I hit RECORD

1st PRESS

C (down arrow)

C (up arrow)

2nd PRESS

V (down arrow)

V (up arrow)

                                      CYCLE OPTION- cycles infinite

PRESS and HOLD

X (down arrow and hold)

X (up arrow)

Will stay in Prone when I release the X Button, but go back to crouch next time I hit G10

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I understand that this can be done with Script, but can you all please take a LOOK at the Pinnacle Game Profiler, play with it for about 30 minutes, and make this Logitech Software more User friendly.

Then the other 95% of us will ATLEAST have a CHANCE to make this work for us, and not just the Professional Programmers and Developers out there.

Thank you for taking a look, Please take this into consideration.

Have a nice weekend.

Sincerely,

Danny

[kgober Logi Guru III]

the easiest way that I can think of at this instant for Logitech to add this would be to implement a new kind of action that could be added by right-clicking in the macro actions list (the same way you add things like delays and mouse events to an existing macro).  this new action would change the binding of whatever key was used to invoke this macro, so that the next time the same key is pressed it will invoke some other macro instead.  then users could make chains of arbitrary length.

the other simple thing that would help is to allow macros to be split into 'G-key-down' and 'G-key-up' portions.  for compatibility with pre-existing macros, all existing macro actions would show up under 'G-key-down'.  but for newly created macros, the user would have the option to explicitly define actions for each.  this would help in cases where you want the down action to press shift, wait a short delay, then press W, but then keep those keys down the entire time the G key is held.  the current macro facility will let you have delays, or hold virtual keys as long as the g key is held, but not both.

-ken

[kgober Logi Guru III]

Lua, by the way, is not as hard as you make it sound.  you certainly don't need to be a professional developer to learn it or use it.  this is why it's such a popular scripting tool, used by Key Profiler as well as by other applications like World of Warcraft and Warhammer Online -- because it's easy enough for non-programmers to use, and yet powerful enough to be able to do what you want it to do.

that said, there are things that can be done to make Lua even easier.  you've given me an idea for a framework that might help novices use Lua more effectively.  stay tuned.

-ken

[dankerr]

Ken,

I see it says your a Log Master- Please tell me you work at Logitech and not just a user like me with GREAT ideas to improve a product that we can't do anything about.

That sounds PERFECT, a Right Click option in the "Record" section.  That would be AWESOME, you are AWESOME!!!

If you can add things like these to a "Right Click" in the recording section then EVERYONE could make this G13 Gameboard do everything they want it to do.-

Things Like CYCLE, where you can add more than 1 button, and have it cycle infinite through all the buttons selected and them back to the top

HOLD- Even with the CYCLE option above so you can have 1 G button do several things eg the Stand Crouch CYCLE and HOLD to PRONE all on 1 button.

And also above could be listed as a DOUBLE COMMAND- Macro Action

MACRO Options- Standard Commands, Compound Commands, Behavior Modifications, RIGHT CLICK Macro's to TOGGLE, HOLD, DOUBLE TAP, RAPID FIRE, STICKY BUTTON, SET SHIFT MODE, ENABLE SNIPER ASSISTANT.

I don't know if you've tried this product, but it is awesome- If you mess with it for 10 minutes you can see the power and customization is Unlimited- to the MAX.  http://pinnaclegameprofiler.com

I/WE ALL appreciate you replying and trying to improve your companys product.  Taking the initive and takling this on would be greatly appreciated by all users, I'm sure sales would go up, and Tech/Script questions would go down.

Thank you again, please keep us updated. I can't wait to see what you come up with.

[kgober Logi Guru III]

easy there, I don't work for Logitech; I'm just a user like you, but with a higher post count.   as it happens, my background includes a lot of programming knowledge, which makes it easier for me to guess which things might be technically practical to do, and which things are just fantasy.  but I'm not in a position to actually implement anything myself.

-ken

[dankerr]

I thought ut was too good to be true. If Logitech only cared and supported their products, they would be a huge force. You can tell they don't care to support or take care after the sale, they haven't replied to this message board, or emails I've sent them, and they haven't even updated the software on this G13 since Feb, 6 months ago. Is there anything we can do to get Logitech to listen or pay attention to us?

[Mpyra]

Dude, Logitech are a huge force and logitech do care about and support their products and they are dependant on customer satisfaction in order to make money, if they produced crap and offered no support they would not be as large of a corporation that they are today, the fact they have limited resources and are in pursuit of greater profits (presumably) and customer satisfaction is part of this process, but they do have limited resources, limited resources for taking onboard and implementing suggested improvements to products, logitech have ears for the public, but they have to speak very loudly to be picked up, there has to be a general sentiment that the improvement would be a good idea in the sense that it would increase sales.

If logitech were to set out to make every single individual happy, it would neglect itself as an entity which require mass sales ro survive.

Your right though there are always ways to improve products, however there's no guaranteed timescale for the implementation, there are many factors which govern product development and support.

Logitech are primarily a hardware company that obviously in many instances produces software to make this hardware function to the best of it's ability, the pinacle game profiler is software and thus is not really competitive with logitechs market, if another company produces a hardware units with greater software functionality than the g13 then you might expect some alterations, or if logitech suspects that certain software improves would be good for sales regardless of competition, perhaps becasue of increased customer satisfaction, then you might also see some improvements.

As things are though, why not just assign single keys wasd etc.. to the g13 and then use someone elses software to handle the macros? I'm thinking of doing the same myself as i'm experiencing some errors for as of yet unknown reasons.

[dankerr]

I have absolutely no problem using the WASD in the current game I'm using because it works, I really don't have much of an issue with using it that way, my problem was when I selected it as "joystick" and tested it in their software, it didn't work their either. Again, no big deal until I have a game that the Joystick feature is needed. MY MAIN problem is that I shouldn't have to learn Code or Script to program their hardware to work how it should in most all games. I do understand that I may have to learn new software when I buy a product, but the product software should work with me also, and writing script is no where close to user friendly. As for using someone elses software to run this G13, funny you should say that. I contacted Pinnacle Game Profiler and they have replied many times to me, asking for input, and if it shows up as a game controller then they may be able to work with it. Check out their forums under Help Tech Support, it started under someone elses thread, but we've been talking the last 3/4 days. I would use their software in a heartbeat (pinnacle) but their not 100% sure YET if it's compatiable. So I thought the next option would be to ask the company that made and supports it for help (logitech) I didn't realize asking them for help on their own product would be rude or so far out of the question.

[Mpyra]

No i mean, you want a single button to cycle through functions, why not set a logitech key to w or whatever, then have that key trigger macros in another program.

Or find a program that will recognise the g keys?

Or maybe find someone who will help you script what you need?

The point i was trying to make is that corporations are faceless super-entites and their actions are generally defined by the laws of economics.

In anycase, i wish you the best of luck

[dankerr]

Pinnacle is the best gaming software out there, I'll see if I can work with it in the G13, but why does Logitech have Programmers and Customer Support if they're not going to do anything. I'm thinking I may return this G13 and get the Belkin n52te for 1/2 the price and check out their software and support. I like logitechs products, I have quite a few of them, when I had an issue with the N700 and couldn't get support I didn't think much of it, but it's certainly a big deal now when I do need it to use their product for it's main purpose.