11-30-2011 03:03 AM
I've already doing with Logitech a research, but Logitech can't find the problem. I've discribed it almost in all details but it's so hard to tell what u feel with ur hands which plays crazy games for 20 years^^
12-01-2011 11:08 AM - edited 12-01-2011 11:33 AM
I've been investigating mouse sensitivity feedback, and I'd like to share what I've uncovered so far:
Due to this thread, I've tested a LARGE variety of mice, including but not limited to
G9 (Both is OS and SetPoint driver utilization)
G9x (Both is OS and SetPoint driver utilization)
Razer DeathAdder 1800
Steel Series Sensei
CM Storm Spawn
Saitek RAT 7
A non-Logitech OEM mouse that came bundled with a PC
On BF 3 with the latest patch, online, on a server with sub 60ms ping times, with each mouse set to 800 DPI (if possible: the DeathAdder could only do 900) and 1000 reports per second (if possible), every mouse had a similar real speed to in game speed performance. That is, moving each mouse roughly 1 inch on the mousepad resulted in basically the same movement in game. Where the mice differed (in terms of tracking) were accuracy, stability, and each mouse's own slightly different acceleration curve, but the speed overall remailed the same.
I tested with sensitivity set at both the 50% mark and at my preferred sub-20% mark. On all mice, I had the same difficulty playing at 50% and same comfort at sub-20%. Also, fine aiming was difficult for me at 50%, but I got very smooth performance at sub-20%.
Mice were tested in groups of 3, with the G9x being used as a reference mouse, on the same extra-large mousepad. I also FRAPSed some play to review after playing to check on my accuracy. There were some slight over and undershoots when I switched between different mice with different sensors, but these were minor enough that I chalked it up to shape and minor behavior differences.
The best conclusion I have is this: At this point, certain people may have to reduce the sensitivity of the in-game Battlefield 3 levels (try messing with both sensitivity bars), and on my system (My work test system is a G73jw-A1), mouse brands do not drastically affect mouse speed when set to the same DPIs. Personally, I have it set to what looks to be between 10-20%. Also, if you have the mouse running at 800 DPI or higher, try playing with the Raw Mouse Input setting.
On the SP 6.30 vs SP 6.32 discussion: I've talked with the software engineers and QA team. The only change happened was to how the driver handles USB enumeration timing to make it play nice with Windows 8. Tracking should not have been touched or affected. To test, and when possible, I will attempt to set up two PCs side by side, each running a different SP and on the same server, and see if there is a noticable difference. I'll have someone else install the software on computers without telling me which is which, and give it a test. (Personally, though, I'm not having a problem with 6.32: I pulled a 27-7 match last night with over 5K points, over 7.5K with ribbons, as Assault without using a noobtube or shotgun)
Now I'm going to have to restore my system as one of those 3rd party mouse software packages killed the ability of my mouse to scroll in browsers.
12-15-2011 03:36 PM
I'm sorry for the late response, for some reason I'm not being notified of replies to this thread.
CharlesB: You deserve more credit, thank you for testing it with all these mice from all these brands. I myself am now also playing with sensitivity in-game set at 15% and dpi set at 1400, which is working okay. This seems to be beyond Logitech's reach to fix. DICE has simply set the default sensitivity way too high. The problem is: DICE hasn't been listening to us at all.
The GetSatisfaction page says 27 others are suffering from this problem with the G500 alone. http://getsatisfaction.com/battlefield3/topics/ina
Maybe you can contact EA Games/DICE and report your findings to them. I bet they'd listen to Logitech.
The default sensitivity needs to be the highest one where pixel precise aiming is still possible. CharlesB, what dpi setting(s?) are you playing with? 800? Seems awfully low, especially for usage in planes and tanks.
12-19-2011 07:57 AM
Yes I support this idea about that Logitech contacted DICE about the existing problem. Probably they will listen to such company as Logitech. Shame that DICE ingores the fans ... and the problem which exists ...
01-04-2012 09:54 AM
I also have serious frame skipping issues with my G500. Testing different mice and all is great, but I think it has to be a driver issue and not solely a sensitivity issue with BF3...even though it ONLY happens in BF3. Please read my below post from get satisfaction:
I used my Rat 7 for a month on Battlefield 3. Absolutely no problems. Very smooth, no negative acceleration issues. I got tired of using my non-ergo rat 7, and decide to buy a g500 (I loved my old Mx518).
I played Battlefield 3 with it, and it worked GREAT, very smooth! But, I couldn't adjust dpi on-the-fly as I HAD NOT INSTALLED THE DRIVERS YET. So, I installed the LOGITECH drivers, and B-A-M, massive frame skipping. The game is now unplayable. I tried switching back to my Rat 7, and still have massive frame skipping.
True, this issue only happens with Battlefield 3. But I had no problems with it until I installed the LOGITECH drivers. So, I beleive that is a core issue with Logitech drivers. Not only that, but uninstalling the drivers does not fix it anymore. The only way to fix it, that I know of, is to re-install windows. Do the Logitech drivers corrupt (as per BF3) a core windows file?
......if only I could get my Rat 7 DPI-on-the-fly program to work with my G500.
I have been very happy with all of my logitech hardware. I want to continue using my G500, but I don't dare re-install the drivers unless this issue has been acknowledge and fixed. For right now, I have two mice on my desktop. My Rat 7 for BF3, and my G500 (without dpi adjustment) for everything else.
Also, for anyone else who has this issue; logitech, is there any way to completely undo everything the G500 logitech drivers do to a computer without having to re-install windows? If so, please let us know. I would like to try your drivers again at a later date, if I know I can remove them without destroying my BF3 experience. Thanks!
01-04-2012 12:03 PM
I'm in the same situation, and it's intollerable.
I've ALL Logitech products, Headset G35, Mouse G500, webcam Quickcam IM/Connect and even keyboard from Logitech.
I've bought my G500 mouse last year to play Battlefield BC2 and all was fine.
Instead, from when Battlefield 3 was released, I suffer of this problem you say.
Now I'm wondering about buying a Razer Imperator because I'm tired and disgusted by this problem. I''ve even bought a new pc for the occasion of BF3, and now to have problem for the mouse.. It's unacceptable, if Logitech will not release a fix (driver or what else) ASAP (it means in few days now) for me Logitech are DEAD products and I'll stop to give them money.
01-04-2012 03:16 PM
CharlesB please have a look in this thread also and give us answers too