11-06-2008 01:50 PM - last edited on 11-22-2008 01:43 AM by Pegasus
I did get a full refund yesterday. Thank you, Logitech! They didn't wanna have me as a customer...no wonder
Pays off hounding them several times every week. Well that was good...now I'm abled to invest these money in a more sensible alternative...
11-12-2008 04:59 PM - edited 11-16-2008 03:12 PM
This is my last post at this forum and I want to close with some info on the UEI Nevo Q50 and NevoConnect I did talk about earlier as a solution for people who wanna run thier home automatization Z-wave networks with both ordinary controllers like masterremote/centralunit/PC interfaces etc, and with an Universal remote at the same time. It seems to be confirmed according to UEI we can say bye bye to our little problems with the Harmony 89X hi-jacking the network for itself if you buy a NevoQ50 and NevoConnect. BUT the version today DOES NOT have full Z-wave implementation. It does not support 3rd party Z-wavedevices at the moment. UEI is developing thier Software (for programming the remote) NevoStudio Pro right now where they will expand the Z-wavefunctionality according to the requirements of the standard in NSP (NevoStudioPro) v.2.00. Meaning there should not be any issues with running the NevoQ50 as a secondary. UEI will provide firmware updates later on for the NevoQ50 and NevoConnect. Too soon to say for sure if thier intensions turn out to be successful of course, but let's hope UEI manage to get it right and do a better job compared to our loveable and dear Logitech (who really cares for thier customers and always provide answers when thier customers wanna have information...NOT)
Edit: Unfortunately the NevoConnect can't talk to anything else besides the NevoQ50 at the moment. When NSP v2.00 with expanded Z-wavefunctionality will come NevoConnect will still not talk to anything else besides the NevoQ50. NevoQ50 does the talking with the Z-wavedevices directly. So incorporating the NevoConnect in a home automatization network, automating events (with Homeseer or NSP v.2.00) including both IR- and Z-wave devices isn't possible. That little wish of mine was too good to be true (at least for the moment). For folks who want to automate events as far as possible the only option is still to run two separate systems. For example Homeseer HS2, USB Z-wavecontroller and an IR-extender for automatizationfunctions and NevoQ50, NevoConnect for controlling same Z-wave and IR-devices manually with remote. Sadly this solution is VERY expensive...let's hope some companies out there will come forward with an ONE-PACKAGE-SOLUTION soon. Remote, basestation/ IR/ Z-Wave controller and Software that can be programmable both for IR- and Z-WaveDevices and have a wast homeautomatization functionality like HomeSeer HS2 within.
This is the mailconversations with UEI for those who are intrested:
” “When would the NSP version hit the market? And we have an another dilemma when to controlling Z-wave devices...Euro vs. US Z-wave frequency...can this version control Euro Z-wave devices (868 Mhz) right away or must we Europeans wait (as usual) on the Euro version?
We’re in the testing phase of NSP. We already offer 3 skews of Nevo remotes: US, EU and Australian. These skews all have different z-wave frequencies to comply with local legislations. Of course we will provide updates for all three skews.
I want some additional info regarding the NSP version. The new NSP version will allow you to control 3rd party z-wave product, that sound good! To explain what I'm after I have to describe the problem with my Harmony 895. I'm controlling all my Z-wave devices (light dimmers, power switches, blinds etc) through PC, HomSeer HS2 with an USB Z-wave controller (Seluxit). This allows me to control IR devices as well (with a Global Caché interface) and I can automate events including both Z-wave and IR-devices. I bought a Harmony 895 to get a more hands-on approach and expand my possibility to control my devices. My problem with this Harmony remote was not the fact you are abled to include and exclude 3rd party Z-wavedevices, but the fact you can NOT run this remote as a secondary controller, only as a master. The implication of this was when I included a Z-wave device in my Harmony same device stopped working in HomeSeer. The same problem occured for folks with home automatization Z-wave networks controlled by central units and master remote controls (forcing us to reconfigure our networks from the beginning after the Harmony destroyed the nodeinfo and took over the devices completly). The Problem with the Harmony was that they stripped away essential features the Z-wave standard should include, namley association and replication. Except for the obvious ones such as inclusion and exclusion these features can be described as:
Association - creating links between two or more devices so they can exchange information or commands
Replication - receiving and transferring network information from or to other controllers.
It was not possible to transfer nodeinformation to other controllers/interfaces with the Harmony and it was not possible to configure it as a secondary controller. I have now gotten a full refund from Logitech, cuz I can't settle with a remote not working as I want. The possibility to configure the remote as a secondary is a MUST have on my future to come remote, because I want to control my Z-wave network with both the PC interface and with my remotecontrol. They must be abled to work along side each other controlling the same Z-wave devices without one of the controller hi-jacking the network for itself completly. Would this be possible with the NSP version?
I can not comment on Harmony, but Nevo makes no assumption that it is or is not the primary. As long as the current primary does not cause any network issues for newer versions of the Z-Wave stack, there should be no issues.
If your company is using the Z-Wave logo and have a Z-wave licens from Zensys this is a feature that is required by the Z-wave standard. No full Z-wave implementation, no using of the Z-Wave logo. Zensys has hounding Logitech for this and forced them to remove all Z-wavelogos on thier products and the Z-wave Alliance has removed all Logitech products from thier site, cuz they are not fulfilling the requirements of the standard.
Ok, so the Nevo Connect would not be abled to talk to anything else besides the Q50. I understand. Why not incorporate a home automatization feature in your product in the future? When we are getting the possibility to control 3rd party Z-wave devices with your remote you're entering a very intresting field with endless possibilities. Why not take up the competition with HomeSeer and SmartControl, with your product package (remote, base station/controller and Software? It would be an alternative I would consider carefully for sure.”
I appreciate this feedback. Thanks.”
11-17-2008 04:08 PM
Logitech has not even bothered to implement what is on the box. On the 890 Pro series on the inside flap there is a complete 1/4 page about a Z-Wave - USB controller for the PC. This product never even got manufactured as far as I can tell. Logitech knows nothing about it and it is nowhere to be found.
03-23-2009 02:02 PM
I wanna report back how it went going from Harmony 895 to UEI Nevo Q50 + NevoConnect + NevoStudio Pro. I have now configured my Z-wave network using Nevo Q50 as Primary and Homeseer HS2 USB-controller as Secondary. I can use every device without any conflicts from both the Q50 and/or Homeseer. This without one controller hi-jacking the Z-wavenetwork for it self. I have now a perfectly working homeautomatization system and I'm OHHH SO HAPPY!!! It took some time to get there but I'm there now and that's the main thing. Recommends the UEI Nevo products, but bare in mind it's VERY expensive compared to Logitech and the support is non-existing if you try to conntact UEI directly. You must buy from and contact special Nevo-dealers if you want some support. Or using Remote central of course. It is NOT that easy to setup the system using NevoStudio Pro...it requires you have A LOT of time on your hands. Now it's time to ENJOY my system
Good Luck guys!
07-22-2009 10:05 PM
I'm so happy to hear that the Nevo Q50 is compatible with Homeseer. I just bought a demo unit from a local dealer who have also extended the warranty on it for me as well as technical support...all without having to pay full retail price for it Anyhow, I'm setting up a Z-wave home automation network along with IR control of various CE devices and this was the post I needed to see to make sure all will go well.
07-23-2009 07:25 AM
Glad I could be of assistance. If you have any problem with your setup, give me a sign. I have encountered pretty much every little obstacle setting up my Nevosystem and solved them all. The system works really good and im very pleased. I suppose you alredy have solved the problem with controlling your IR-devices through Homeseer to get the ultimate homeautomatizationsystem? I did that with a Global Chace interface and it works great as well.
09-05-2009 11:49 PM
Could you PM me and let me know what basic steps you took to get your Nevo stuff working with HS? I'm about to set mine up and pretty much have the same set up except it is almost exclusively z-wave devices. The only IR devices are in the home theatre which my NevoConnect will control, everything else are Z-wave dimmers, switches and HVAC. Please let me know. Thanks.
09-06-2009 02:36 AM
Nice!! Well, i must ask some controlquestions before giving you my secrets Only to establish were you are at in the process.
1. Have you managed to setup the z-wave network so you are abled to control all z-wavedevices with your Nevo remote direct?
2. Have you setup your Nevo as the primary controller? HS will be the secondary.
3. What version of HS do you have? IT MUST BE REGISTERED. If its not you will not have the features that are required to make HS work as a secondary controller to your Nevo.
4. What USB Z-wave controller do you have connected to HS?
09-06-2009 07:46 AM - edited 09-06-2009 07:47 AM
Here are the answers:
1. Yes. Two-way working well with dimmers, switches and HVAC. Very easy to program
2. Nevo Q50 is primary. At this point my HS system is not set up because I'm actually waiting for new parts (building a mini-itx system to house the HS software). Homeseer is running on my workstation for testing purposes, though. It is version 188.8.131.52 (latest beta that supports beaming which is required for the new Schlage LiNK locks which I will be implementing in the near future if Schlage can remedy the glitch when their locks are installed on steel doors...loses comm with the Z-wave network...bad glitch)
3. It is registered
4. Wayne Dalton WDUSB10 Z-wave controller
I hope this is enough info. I mainly would like to know how you got things set up so that when I finish moving to my new house, I'll have a lesser downtime than necessary (I hope ). Thanks for replying!
09-06-2009 09:17 AM
Yes, its really simple once you know how to do it...like everything in life
Thanks for the answers. Please read through my instructions and then check in Homeseer if you have the functions i'm talking about before doing anything of the below.
Here is how i did it:
Step 1: Homeseer
Delete your existing z-wave network and devices. The easiest way should be:
Setup-->Interfaces TAB-->Manage button (green)-->Erase Interface under Advanced Functions
Let this Homeseer window be open...you will go back here later on.
Step 2: Nevo Q50
Copying z-wavenetwork nodes from Q50 to Homeseer.
Tap Homepage in upper left corner-->Settings-->Advanced-->Ecosystem-->Configu
For some reason UEI didnt make a function named Replicate Send which would have been the logical choice. Instead they incorporated this function in the Add function. This is what makes it a little bit tricky if you not have this knowledge. Took me weeks getting this info.
When pressing the Add Node button you have 30 seconds before Q50 decides to fail the process. So within this timeframe go back to Homeseeer and...
Step 3: Homeseer
Receiving the z-wave network nodes
In step 1 you left the Z-Wave Management Window open. Go to:
Controller Functions-->Replicate Receive and press that button. Homeseer now receives all node info and when everything is finished you must go to Status and rename all the z-wave devices so you know whats what.
This is direct from my memory and may not directly apply to your Homeseer version (using 184.108.40.206 myself).
The thing i'm quite unsure of is if Homeseer had the Replicate Receive button setuped from the beginning or not. I have faint memories of some things i did to get Homeseer set to work as a secondary controller. I think you could choose if you want to make it work as primary or secondary. If you choose Primary you would have gotten a button named Replicate Send instead of Replicate Receive if my memory serves me right. This choice were done under Controller Functions as well. Well, you only have to check and see for yourself. The instructions were easy to follow.
That should be it!
Good Luck and let me know if anything goes wrong!