Keyboards and Keyboard/Mice Combo Sets

[Infonec]

Hi All,

Just need to get a round up on all current keyboard which does not cause keyboard ghosting when playing games.

The one I particular want to know is the Logitech Illuminated Keyboard model  (920-001259), anyone shed some light please?

[Jungle]

MOST gaming keyboards offer anti ghosting on the wsad cluster of keys ONLY. The remaining keys ghost in different configurations on ALL of them except the Razer Tarantula,Deck Legend,Steelseries 7G, and Das Keyboard. They reduce number of inputs for the keys to use to save a few cents....leaving you with many keys using one input feed. When you press more than 2 non-wsad keys they create a phantom key press that will influence the direction you go in...which is never the way you aimed. ( I'm a competitive arrow key player ) I asked about the Illuminated keyboard yesterday for the same reason, but still await a reply. Though it does suffer from ghosting, the G11 does offer arrow keys that dont ghost. ( Just way too big for my desk ) Seems the more you pay for a keyboard  for gaming, the less standard wiring they use.

Budget keyboards and all mainstream wireless media keyboards from logitech allow you to use at least 4 keys at once with the proper keys being registered and no phantom key signal messiness.

SO please Logitech, I've already suffered thru 3 support reps on the phone who didnt know what ghosting, blocking, or n-key rollover is. One of which had to argue with me for asking such a `rhetorical question`` when I asked if the Logitech Illuminated Keyboard ghosted on the arrow keys`or elsewhere.

Message Edited by Jungle on 12-08-2008 03:40 PM

[Infonec]

Thanks for the detail explanation. I do believe that the Logitech support team does their job well, its what they need to do is get some real life situation training from people like "Jungle" or feedback from avaid gamers so that their products are better quality. Logitech products I have from years ago and they just rock, its their support team's product knowledge needs some improvement.

[Jungle]

Logitech Illuminated Keyboard Key Blocking

Looks very discouraging........premium prices....knock-off quality. Can't even type common 3 plus letter words fast on it??? WOW.

I am accustomed to 5-6 simultaneous key presses on the multimedia wireless boards from Logitech.

104 keys.....1 diode per key would add roughly 5 dollars to production costs. The new cost saving circuit film being used commonly ( instead of individual diodes ) can easily be designed to have more input feeds printed onto it ( to allow more multi key presses closer to par with the average wireless multi media keyboard ) for even less.

SO Logitech???

What about the arrow keys? Can I press 3 at once for extended periods for gaming and maybe a fourth key  surrounding them???

I hate the wsad gaming cluster anyways. I just need reliable keys around the arrow key cluster !!!

And PLEASE don`t refer me to a wireless multimedia keyboard, as much as I liked them for their arrow key robustness. I can't take the signal washouts anymore.

Message Edited by Jungle on 12-06-2008 06:56 PM

Message Edited by Jungle on 12-06-2008 06:59 PM

[Jungle]

OK....this is getting comedic.

Another call to Logitech suport and they can`t tell if their keyboad will ghost on arrow keys. In fact it was implied that the qwerty key matrix was a propitary secret as if I asked for the blueprint and distribution rights for the entire keyboard.

HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

Sad when you cant find someone in the company who is familiar with their own product.

Even sadder when it`s implied that ALL keyboards suffer from ghosting when there are many keyboards that use 1 diode per key for zero ghosting , or a very robust circuit film that at least allows 10 simultaneous key presses which eliminates everyday typing issues or gaming issues.

USB standard allows for 6 button presses max. The ps2 standard allows for upwards of 200 simultaneous keypresses.

All that stands in the way of quality is the engineering ( monetary?) decisions on how sparsely to wire the key matrix ( for those that refuse to put in a few dollars of extra diodes or a few extra input circuits on the film.

So...it looks as though I have to rely on customer feedback on this keyboard....as it would appear that Logitech would prefer I stuck to hunt & peck typing for email browsing, and blindly buying products in the upgrade treadmill.

ANYONE out there that can tell me how the arrow keys behave in a game?

"STANDARD" behaviour would be that you can hold down all four to "lock" your character into a stationery position,

When pressing 3 of 4 arrow keys ( left right and up ) the left & right balance each other out to keep character from moving left or right, while moving forward.

I would greatly appreciate some honest feedback.

Message Edited by Jungle on 12-08-2008 05:12 PM

[LaylaS]

Hi Jungle: Thank you for sharing your feedback with the community members. I am not a technical expert on Gaming, let me look into this and see if I can get our Product Specialist to help you with some of your questions.  Thank you for your patience, and for caring enough about Logitech to come to the source to express your opinions. 

[dracuella]

Has there been any development in this somewhat oldish thread? I'm very interested in the reply, if any.