04-02-2012 08:12 PM
I'm going to be honest, i bought a k400, waiting for it to arrive. However i thought that a keyboard where you would need to hold it with two hands most of the time, it would be obvious that your thumb would be right next to the touchpad at all times, it would make sense to have a up down scroll like laptops with a single finger, or even better, "chirlal" scrolling as with the synaptics touchpads.
Apparently i was wrong.... With the current setup you have to move your arm into a uncomfortable position, perpedicular to your body to get your fingers in line with the touchpad to scroll up or down.
I will make do with the k400 keyboard until i can find something better, however, why is it, that logitech, the biggest PC peripheral company on the planet, still has not made a decent affordable Home Theatre Keyboard?
I looked at the Logitech K700, the Google TV/ Logi Revue Keyboard, and that thing is beautiful, if that were 50 - 60 USD with windows focused buttons and the same general layout, especially that wonderful directional pad with the media keys right there and the touchpad on top, and add in single finger chiral scrolling on the right of the rouchpad, Logitech would own the HTPC Keyboard market.
Even with the K400, its like logitech just put out something because they had to, and didn't really put any thought into it.
Imagine the K700 with windows keys, a backlight and programmable hotkeys to launch specialised programs that you wanted, not regular ones like Windows Media Center and Media Player. Just generic, A, B, C, D keys i could program to launch specific apps and do specific things through the Setpoint software.
Remove all the Google TV buttons and make a beautiful "Logitech K710 HTPC Keyboard"
If you want, fly me to the R&D lab and find me a sleeping bag and I'll oversee it myself.
I've been looking for ways to allow ppl to control HTPCs for years. I have it all in my head, yet, even logitech can still botch the bloody thing when its so simple.
I always wanted to be a industrial desiginer, but there is no employment for that down here.
I've thought this particular product down to the smallest detail. I seriously think Logitech can make a killing with this.
They just need to go the whole 9 yards!!
04-02-2012 08:18 PM - edited 04-02-2012 08:29 PM
Said product technically exists in the diNovo Edge, although the cost of it is out of most people's price range: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/d
I do agree however that something along the lines of a Windows K700 (in the $50-70 price range) would be highly appreciated, I certainly would buy one.
04-03-2012 12:15 PM - edited 04-03-2012 12:25 PM
This is a HTPC keyboard, you need something that will look good on the cofee table, but still be cheap enough of the kids spill juice on it you wont wanna strangle them. As i said and as you reiterated, 40 - 50 USD is the sweetspot. The Dinovo and the Dinovo mini are good options but it also needs to have the 12 mth battery life of the K400 along with a similar price and better touchpad scrolling.
If anything, the battery life on logitech products is downright exceptional!!
And the development of the unifying reciever makes RF peripherals more cost effective against what is traditionally much more expensive bluetooth peripherals.
The K700 with some tweaks and a price reduction and scrolling improvements in the setpoint software would make an amazing HTPC keyboard.
I just looked at the Dinovo Edge and it seems that it has some sort of circular scrolling method on the rounded touchpad. This is a feature that needs to filterdown to the HTPC keyboards. A single finger circular scrolling method similar to Synaptics' Chiral scrolling is exactly what a HTPC keyboard needs.
The touchpad would need to be higher thou, in the same place as a the K400/K700, not on the bottom as the dinovo edge.
The mouse buttons may actuall function better if placed to the side of the touchpad on the edge of the keyboard, not below the touchpad. Just a thought. Anyone care to chime in on that bit of ergonomics?
04-13-2012 07:11 AM
I have the Logitech K400 and it's not bad. I'm not sure why they didn't make the keyboard a litle bigger. I really hate the right shift key since it's smaller and not in the right location.
The other issue I have is that RF communications is not that good. I will frequently lay on the floor with the keyboard against my legs and sometimes the keyboard stops responding. I have to shift the keyboard slightly to the right to ensure that the RF transmitter is not blocked.
04-13-2012 04:41 PM
This was my complaint before I used an Autohotkey script. Here's a demo I made using one finger scroll. If logitech could implement this directly, it would be an almost perfect HTPC keyboard/mouse. If you search my recent posts, you'll find more info.