05-18-2010 11:42 PM - edited 05-19-2010 03:29 AM
Really want to congratulate the Logitech team on this release, the force centering in FC1.12 is spot on I am totally over the moon about this! I've tested IL2 as well and the stick doesn't go all that loose at really slow speeds but this most probably unavoidable and a lot better than the limp noodle till you reach 400kph we had before.
Good job and all the best for the new software!
EDIT: On closer inspection the force centering in IL2 does go loose at slow speed i.e 180kph there is definatley a looser stick so i've reduced spring and overall effects to 90% in the profile to make the effect more pronounced.
05-19-2010 01:34 AM - edited 05-19-2010 01:36 AM
Two questions and suggestions:
- In his initial post, Mark described how to adjust the forces of the stick (III. Adjusting axis response). Did you change any of your old settings apart from turning off the centering force? If no: perhaps experimenting with these will help. I haven't been able to test the 5.09 driver, but used the following settings in my old profile: total effect strenght: 101%, spring force: 70%, dampening force: 70%. What settings do you use?
- ROF allows your stick to be configured as well. In het options-menu, click on the 'responses' tab en scroll down to the 'force feedback' section. With the 5.08 profile, I'd often set Force to about 25-30%, while leaving Shaking at 100%. What settings do you currently use?
A big thank you for this update! Good news to wake up to. Have to work right now, but can't wait to try the G940 with the new firmware!
05-19-2010 07:38 AM
Disappointing? how so? there are a lot of new adjustment variables, and we've been able to adjust and improve performance in almost every sim we tested.
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05-19-2010 07:42 AM - edited 05-19-2010 07:44 AM
Is there a way to go back to old firmware yet keep 5.09? I'm thinking this might give me back the old FF implmentation back and also fix the BSOD issue with Blackshark. I've played around with spring effect strength (not centering spring strength) and reducing it to about 60% makes it feel a bit better but the old implmentation was far superior with sims like ROF and IL2. Please let us know if we can go back to old firmware and if that would give the old FF implemention back.
05-19-2010 07:42 AM - edited 05-19-2010 07:58 AM
What exactly do you find dissapointing? The G940 is quite professional and complex: I imagine most of us are still busy configuring it to suit their individual needs.. a proces wich takes time. Is there a specific game with wich you need assistance?
Hold on tight dude.. You probably do not want to go back to 5.08 if you can configure your gear right again. If I can get the chance to (courteously) dismiss my girlfriend this evening, I'll get hacking on some new ROF-profiles. In return, you might be able to tell me how to get IL-2 working with the 4.09 patch and one of those prutty texture mods I've seen laying around.
Edit: just a thought.. I understand that - besides applying the patch - you'll need to update the firmware in a separate proces. You guys did do this, right? Chances are that the stick might not function as intended when you forget this.
05-19-2010 09:12 AM - edited 05-19-2010 09:37 AM
In case anyone finds the update instructions in this thread a bit unclear, as I did, here is what worked for me.
1. Download LGS 5.09 from Logitech's web site. Be sure to choose the correct version - 32 or 64 bit.
2. Go to Windows Control Panel and uninstall LGS 5.08.
3. Install LGS 5.09 by clicking on the downloaded installer.
4. Start LGS 5.09 and verify that you have the correct version. Close LGS 5.09.
5. Before doing other things, update the G940 firmware (to version 1.41). This is done outside LGS 5.09 (with LGS not running). Using Windows Explorer, go to the c:\Program Files\ Logitech\Gaming Software\FW subdirectory and click on the G940_Updater file. The updater will detect your current firmware version (1.35) and indicate that a newer version (1.41) is available. Complete the firmware update.
6. Open LGS 5.09 and calibrate and configure your G940.
7. If using FSX, after completing calibrating and configuring your G940 from within LGS 5.09, open FSX and go to the Settings - Control area to configure the G940 from within FSX. Be sure to remove and correct any axis assignments that are showing by default but you know are wrong or in conflict with what you assigned within LGS 5.09. You will see that from within FSX, you cannot configure everything that you can from within LGS 5.09. Just make sure that there are no conflicts for any axis or button with what you set up in LGS. If there are, either select a consistent assignment with what you did in LGS or remove the assignment entirely in FSX. You need to do this separately for the Joystick, Throttle and Pedals. It is a little tricky because the tabs for each device keep jumping to another device so be patient. I seem to recall that the best advice is to use the detailed, not the simple, calibration method. Also, adjust all sensitivities to at or near 100% and all null zones to 0%, except for the Pedal's Brakes null zone which should be set to around 20%.
If I am incorrect with any of these instructions, someone please correct me. I am just working from memory.
05-19-2010 09:24 AM - edited 05-19-2010 09:44 AM
I'll show you.
The image is a representation of what it feels like when I attempt to move my G940 diagonally. Man I am disappointed. I've had nothing but good experiences with Logitech and was off the wall when I heard about the G940 being released - I knew it would be a product that I could really get behind. Every time I've had an issue (which was very rare) with my product I would give nothing but glowing reviews about how customer support treated me. Mind you, that's one of the issues. The right portion of my throttle is also slightly more forward than the left, so you can imagine what problems that causees when the two are connected. The three trim dials don't properly center when the lines are connected, resulting in them being ever so slightly off center. Barely enough to cause problems.
I requested a label to send my G940 in for return under the name Nathan McKenzie and ended up waiting two _weeks_ until I called back and got on a supervisor's case. I haven't returned it yet because I sold my CH stick when I got my G940 and would be without a stick for the 1-2 weeks of turnaround time. Have I mentioned I'm disappointed :
Do you see my youtube name? It's short for Logitech! At least my G9 is still working.