06-12-2010 02:19 AM - edited 06-12-2010 02:40 AM
you can create a .bat file (with notepad) that runs the .exe with the additional prompt. This file can then be associated with your game's profile instead of the .exe file. I did this for DCS:BS and it works great. Let me know if you need help setting it up.
06-12-2010 08:37 AM
"Regardless what settings I use, centering force is now more or less constant from center to full deflection. While with original firmware was growing incrementally, being close to zero at center and smoothly growing with stick deflection."
I concur. It's game dependant. In Over Flanders Fields, for instance, control surface forces remain (together with excessive, disorienting delay in the onset thereof) dynamic, while in IL2 the forces are now static throughout all flight conditions, the value being dependant exclusively upon the “spring effect” setting; sitting on the tarmac with the engine off - on a windless day no less - produces exactly the same control surface force as diving at 900 KPH. No setting permutation corrects this. So, depending upon your flight sim of choice, an essential force-feedback feature has been deleted by virtue of the new firmware.
In the end, though, my wildly spiking rudder pedals have long since suggested to me...... Well, duly noted, Logitech.
Cheers, or as it were,
06-12-2010 01:36 PM
your dual action game pad could not at this time could not take the place of my $2 mouse
Your Reply **bleep**. We Done All That, i Give You 3 - Da Da Da... your dual action Game Pad **bleep** Big Time...
06-20-2010 04:33 PM
When I go to the download page for 5.09, the option for 64-bit is not available, only multilingual 32-bit (which will not install on Win7 64-bit). Where is the 64-bit version?
06-25-2010 09:48 AM
I got Windows 7 installed again and successfully installed 5.09 drivers and the firmware upgrade. Preliminary testing shows that the reversal bug is unchanged. Unable to tell with the stick (hall sensors) yet but will get back on that later. All other axes are affected (pedals, trim wheels, throttles etc). Hysteresis does not alter the behavior of the reversal bug in any way. Any change of direction of movement is met by a sudden twitch jump into the other direction.
(Here follows some thoughts of my G940 ownership so far - 6½ months).
This fairly significant control problem feels similar to having a nice pricy LCD TV that looks great - except it has a dead pixels here and there that stand out clearly. I can't pretend it isn't there. It isn't just some inconvenience either, it really does degrade the performance significantly. And I continually think about it with regret, tainting the joy of ownership and usage. Despite other quality and rubbish controllers not having force feedback (which I really enjoy) I would sell my G940 and cut my losses rather than put up with that nasty regretful feeling if the major 6.0 update/patch does not make this problem go away completely. If a major update didn't fix it it despite being well documented, it is unlikely to change. I know I could not put up with it permanently.
If anyMark (who would be in the know) knows anything more about what the software engineers say about this reversal bug, it would satisfy my curiosity and perhaps worries if you could let me know. It does seem like just a firmware bug. The internal processor of the G940 is applying transformation to the positioning (for various good intended reasons and out of necessity) but the math is just mixed up and wrong in places. I imagine that should be fixable with a firmware revision.
06-25-2010 11:14 AM
Yeak Mikkowl it would be nice to know if the reversal bug is unsquashable, I've come to terms with it as it doesn't affect my flying 95% of the time but it would be nice to know if this is a fix they are working on for the 6.0 software release. I read your analysis and it sound like a very plausible scenario. Squashing the reversal bug is the singlemost important step in making the G940 a serious flightsim peripheral, as it is even though i'm mostly happy with my G940 I wouldn't recommend the controller to anyone else. 5.09 was an important step and overnight it made the G940 100% more enjoyable to use, for most customers, but there are still bugs and further discussion between the users and the product team could only serve to enhance the the G940's performance. I'd love to see a Logitech initiated discussion thread, were we could discuss features we would like to see in the 6.0 software.
All seems to have gone quiet on the Logitech side which is understandable as I'm sure that 6.0 is far to early on to be hyping yet but its knid of worrying as I feel the reversal bug was the major bug with the system and its kinda been forgotten about in all the "hat tossing" now that the FFB works better.
06-25-2010 10:49 PM - edited 06-25-2010 11:05 PM
Hello everyone !..
i orderd my g940 a couple of days ago partialy because of all the whining on this thread ( the other part beeing that logitech actualy released a split throtle OMG AWSOME FFb flight stick ^^.) . Mark and all the other logitech personell that takes this kind of End user abuse all day long.. i am really amazed over how well you are all handeling the situation.. and the awnsers to the threads is really helping. i have never seen this many replies to one product line anywhere else. Keep up the good work !... I think the problem is more along the way of SBTC ( that would be s**t behind the controls for those of you that cant interpet the code or my bad english XD..).. but seriously thou.. despite of all the crap that ppl are throwing around in here and all over the forum.. i own a g25 and i have used logitech products for over 10 years.. and i am having a real hard time beliveing that there are these many problems whit a product from logitech.. the only problem that was really conserning was the electrical glitch whit arching and whatnot.. but still.. Of all the pll that say that they give up on the controller and whine about the "plug and play" preformance. the making of a product is only half the job the other half is fixing issues and correcting stuff.. beta testing and hammering out kinks.. and if you whine and then leave. it makes it fairly hard to acomplish anything. Instead why dont you give some constructive critisism and help out. ( for those of you in here that actualy do that, i salute you ! ) Progress is made by cooperation not whining and slandering.
Love the videos on youtube btw Mark !. you are a natural indeed ! ;D..
i hope that the flightsim communety could show its good side in here and be somwhat more suporting. but hopefully that will change and we can get some helping out done !.
06-26-2010 02:51 AM - edited 06-26-2010 04:03 AM
@ RomeoOB :
Well, my 2 cents, is that most people here gives feedback but the replies are few and far apart. Beeing a simmer since, well since the C64 came along actually (no age posted right , and also have had the pleasure of beta testing for saitek I agree with MikkOwl (wich by the way is a real asset and should be listened to) that the reversal bug is a major flaw. I've had this stick since release date and even though I'm over all satisfied this is a showstopper if you're intrested in extreme control of the simulation. I will even consider taking the hit and try the X65 instead given the good feedback it has recieved in LockOn forums even though I mainly "fly" props and this stick is targeted at jet kockeys. I might even go for the new thrustmaster warthog which should be as pricy as the saitek.
I really don't like doing this since I want the FFB but if 6.0 doesn't fix it this is what I will do.
And I wouldn't call the posts in here whining just yet, more like some individuals loosing patience over the lack of response from Logitech. This peace of hardware is somewhat to expensive not to have functioning properly. This said however I appreciate the problem Logitech faces since this is a newly developed hardware that aims to be used by a category of gamers that sits with simulations a decade old right now. This is how few and far between the simulations come out since it's such a narrow game genre.
Anyway all the best to all and eberyone enjoying our mutual hobby and lets hope that Logitech comes throug for us yet again.
EDIT: Oh and one thing for me that also has been mentioned is the loss of incremental strength in IL2. What I mean is that it should be "loose" when on tarmac, just mimicking the resistance of cable/pullies and or hydraulics and then stiffen incrementally as a result of wind pressing on the control surfaces. As per 5.09 it's gone or is controlled by an adjustment yet to be discovered by me