05-19-2010 11:04 PM - edited 05-19-2010 11:21 PM
After setting the software I feel same as the 5.08 ,I think you have done a good work.
Also I feel the same "reversal bug"
05-20-2010 05:00 AM - edited 05-20-2010 05:01 AM
With both LGS 5.08 and 5.09, the G940 Joystick jumps around somewhat violently during a computer's Windows boot-up.
Why is this?
05-20-2010 06:38 AM
Its because the ffb (or the whole unit) is powerd up and down brefly during boot and the heavy grip starts to swing arround. I tend to have it unpluged most the time and just plug it in before i fire up Rise of Flight.
05-20-2010 07:27 AM - last edited on 05-20-2010 08:11 AM by nanci
Since upgrading the drivers and flashing the joystick, both the joystick and rudder pedals report full deflection by the time they reach 85-90% of their mechanical range, and the rudder70%, this is with sensitivity set at its lowest and full range, no dead zone, and no way to calibrate either to try and resolve the problem.
Seriously, **bleep** were you people doing over the last 9 months. Ignoring for a moment that the rotaries have no detents at the centre (whose bright idea was that design decision), we still cannot assign mouse axis to the mini stick (should be a no brainer), no ability to setup custom response curves (a standard feature for competing products at this price range), you borked input range, and wow it now works in dcs black shark, woopity (word filter evasion). This is the last time I waste cash on Logitech garbage. So you know how much that is potentially worth to you (please be courteous) I have sitting in this room: a g25, three g5 mice, a g15 keyboard and Logitech z5500 digital speaker system, I am done with you jokers.
05-20-2010 08:27 AM
What a shame, good looking HOTAS, comes with pedals too, at reasonable prices. Should have slotted itself right in the middle between Saitek x65 and upcoming Thrustmaster Warthog and win the battle. On paper this stick has all attributes to be best option for masses, but it failed misserably.
I am not going to buy one that`s for sure, and I really wanted to.
It is not shocking for new product to have issues, but almost a year after release to still have massive issues as this is more than shocking.
05-20-2010 11:06 AM - edited 05-20-2010 11:51 AM
I guess I am just having a completely different experience than many posters of this forum. Prior to the update, I had managed to live with the center slop by fine tuning both profiler and in-game settings. But now I am experiencing a huge improvement in handling, expecially with FC2. The removal of most of the center FFB slop was itself enough to call the update a success for me. The ability to adjust FFB for each profile is that much better. DCS holds trim perfectly throughout the entire flight regime and hovers easily with or without FD. I used to get around the center slop by trimming slightly out of neutral in most FC2 planes. It worked but it was less than ideal. Now I can trim away all pressure and fly with high precision. The only awkward change is with RoF and I believe that has nothing to do with Logitech. With RoF there is a slight "notchiness" when ailerons are returned to neutral. I believe this is supposed to simulate mechanical forces within the bell-crank and cables and it matches what the cockpit joystick is doing. I suppose I didn't experience this previously because FFB forces were light or non-existant around the center before the update.
So, in conculusion, nice job Logi! Looking forward to 6.0.
Two things I do that I feel help. 1) All profiles are forced via Global properties which I change when I change sims, and 2) All functions set in-game when possible (exceptions: TrackIr, Teamspeack etc). This prevents BSOD for me since I am not shifting a POV.
05-20-2010 11:58 AM
I have had the same positive experience in DCS, Il2, ROF and wings of prey. FFB comes down to personal taste, they got rid of the center slop along with the other known fixes now it's up to you (the moaners) to tweak the force settings to your liking. In Some games like Il2 you can tweak the force setting to your liking with Fedit so you can change the spring tension and the forces of the cannons and machine gun. Don't get me wrong there is still lots to be fixed we all know that, but in the mean time try and enjoy what's already available.
Good job Logitech!
05-20-2010 11:59 AM - edited 05-20-2010 12:01 PM
HammerTime- Have you tried playing around with the Hysteresis values in the Logitech Gaming Software? Try that.
ed111- The response to your post is correct, but I could just clarify: The G940 centers when enumerated. If enumerated then let go during boot, it may attempt to jump to center, then let go, then jump to center again. Maybe disable Legacy USB Support in your BIOS... This is something you'd have to turn back on if you want to use window's boot CLI, but for the time being, it will prevent the stick from enumerating then disabling.
Hexcaliber - You might have a funky DirectInput residual calibration. I would try running the clear calibration utility:
Unplug the G940, unplug the power, wait 30 seconds, replug power, plug USB back in (preferably to a different USB port), then rerun calibration within the windows control panel to set up throttle and joystick's calibration.
Not all of those steps are needed per se, but it will make sure that everything's at a default state.
The pedals use similar logic to the race wheel pedals: They constantly recalibrate. SO, when you're looking in the game controls panel for the first time on the pedals, when you enter an input, you'll notice it reaches the 100% or -100% value very quickly. BUT, as long as the DirectInput calibration profile isn't misset in windows, if you keep going to full extension on the input, then back, you'll notice it will quickly adjust in about 2-3 extensions. The rudder controls and foot pedals have this same behavior.
So, in summary, the software update didn't touch input range, it was likely just a miscalibration that can be adjusted.
05-20-2010 01:35 PM - edited 05-20-2010 02:23 PM
from 2% to 2% better than before
will be better 1%... but no problem ,good job!
For next release I suggest that you insert in profiler the configuration of the colours of the throttle ( G940 gains a lot with red lights!)
I hope you dont leave us 9 months