05-24-2010 05:29 AM
Note: I have not tried this update yet so I speak of old version behavior.
In the Logitech Profiler, edit the rudder axis and lower the sensitivity. If it is like in the past version, lowering it all the way to 0 would make it much less sensitive near the center, moving more the more you press the rudder in either direction.
If the reversal bug is still there (no one has reported it was not so far, only a few reports that it is still there) then you will have to accept that it jumps around and that smooth operation is not possible until it is fixed in future firmware updates. The hysteresis tweaks may or may not be able to lessen some of the reversal bug behavior.
05-24-2010 10:16 PM - edited 05-24-2010 10:17 PM
Nimrod, if that doesn't work, try creating a new control profile in RoF using the default Input.map.
That sounds like a issue I had a couple months ago, only mine was with ailerons. Making a new controls profile fixed it right up.
I too would like to know if there will be a rollback method coming? I haven't updated my firmware or software, yet. I am going to wait due to the issues others are having. But would still like to know if Logitech will be making a rollback firmware.
05-25-2010 05:38 PM
There is a significant change in the way forces are set in the new software. Whenever a profile is loaded, the profile also sets the force settings. The global settings will be over-ridden. The global settings work ONLY WHEN NO PROFILE IS LOADED.
Make the changes you want to the centering spring, etc. within the profile device settings. You should be able to replicate the 5.08 settings
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05-25-2010 06:52 PM
Sorry Mark but I respectfully disagree. No amount of tweaking centering spring within the profile device setting makes a difference. The centering spring implementation has changed to linear force centering vs. the old exponential force centering. As described earlier:
Regardless of what settings, the centering force is now more or less constant from center to full deflection. . While with original firmware was growing incrementally, being close to zero at center and smoothly growing with stick deflection.
If you can tell me how to get what is described in red above, I'll believe you.
05-25-2010 09:43 PM
With the previous versions of software/firmware, I kept everything force related set to the defaults.
With the updated software/firmware, I have everything in both the "Specific Game Settings" and the "Global Device Settings" sections set to the defaults.
Doing this, the stick feels drastically different with the Thirdwire SF2 series of sims.
No amount of tweaking the four sliders in "Specific Game Settings", or turning on/off "Use Special Force Feedback Device Settings" or "Enable Centering Spring" makes it feel close to what it did before the update.
The stick currently feels very mechanical. The force curve is linear as the deflection changes. It use to be more of an exponential change in force as the deflection increased. Also, the forces do not increase as a function of airspeed as they previously did.
No changes to the simulation has changed. The only change was the updated software/firmware to the G940.
Can we please have a method for going back to the previous firmware version?
05-26-2010 07:07 AM
same problem with constant centering force, here...
cant feel my plane anymore(tested yet only with IL-2)...HORRIBLE !
reversal bug??? its there! I can`t believe it...
PLEASE, GIVE US OPPORTUNITY TO RETURN TO OLD FIRMWARE!!!
-maybe I should have send the G940 back, directly after it arrived...
but the feel of the speed (airflow over control-surfaces) of the plane WAS always so cool...(even better than with SW FFB2), cant believe u changed that....
05-28-2010 08:44 AM
I have detected an issue, the force feedback is stronger when i use it the position Right down , and in UP left is none ( i shoot stabilized ,without moving )
05-29-2010 01:56 AM
I think those who are asking for the ability to rollback to earlier firmware should be asking for a fixed version of the current firmware instead. Rather than saying lets take a step back they should be saying, ok this is better for the most part but still needs work.
I recently purchased a G940 and have only ever experienced the 5.09 software withe the latest firmware. In RoF the FFB and stick is absoutely stunning, same for DCS Blackshark. The problem I have is in IL2, the FFB is applingly poor and needs much improvement.
I had a MS FFB2 and it is a great stick but I have no regrets in changing to the G940. The only sim I have problems with is IL2, all the others work about the same or far better with the G940 than they did with the MS FFB2. RoF is no longer the stuttering mess it was with TrackIR and MSFFB2.
From my perspective the only area that needs looked at in the G940 is the reversal bug which to be honest should be THE priority for Logitech. I am happy with the build quality and the excellent features, just fix the reversal problems and the G940 will be a 1st rate HOTAS system.
Please Logitech, fix the axis reversal problems.
05-29-2010 09:25 AM
You think so eh? I guess you're not familiar with Logitech and their ridiculously long software release cycles then. It's understandable as you state that you recently purchased the G940 and is obviously not familiar with Logitech's track record when it comes to releasing fixes. If we were to wait for a fix for the current firmware, it'll take another 9 months. Rollback option is the quickest solution as the old firmware already exists. It's just up to Logitech to package it up and release it for those who liked the old FF implementation.
Regarding the reversal bug....... Logitech wasn't paying attention obviously as they spent time changing the force feedback implementation instead of concentrating on fixing serious issues like the reversal bug. I don't know how Logitech is planning to compete with the likes of CH Products when they chose to ignore glaring issues like this.