Squeezebox Players

[WahWahWeeks]

WHaT exactly is broken when you say, "Not Found"? 

I am using the web interface on the SaME PC as the LMS Server. But I get "Player Not Found" on the Web user interface, http://127.0.0.1:9000/  So, can anyone tell me (with a proper technical explanation) how the "Controller" program in my Chrome Browser would not be able to find the LMS running (as administrator) in the same Windows 7 instance?

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By the way, I cannot type a capital "a" in this text box (!) because it is treated as Ctrl-a, and selects everything. (so that the next keystroke deletes everything! SO I even found a new bug while reporting the old bug. Wow!

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"Player" ?

By the way, I also have a problem with the use of the word "Player" by Logitech. Is the server thing which "reads the media and sends it out" the player? [a]re the receiver things which render the streams from wireless ethernet packets into SPDIF protocol "players"? Or are the DaC / amps / speakers that are connected to the receivers and "actually make a noise" - are they the "players"?

I also think the word "receiver" might be confusing, because normally a "receiver" can be switched off or on regardless of whether the transmitter is "playing" the music. But a Logitech "receiver" has to make a wireless connection with the server BEFORE they can both be a "player".

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Finally

Most people say language doesn't matter, because "you KNOW what I mean". But I think there's no harm in saying what you mean in the first place, and it can avoid a huge amount of confusion. You know what Microsoft "mean" when they say run Control Panel "as administrator". They mean run it as if an administrator had run it. Even though you <aRE> an administrator. I sometimes wonder if the mere abuse of language may be preventing us from learning what is going on.

[WahWahWeeks]

..and by the way - I also have a 2-year old silent squeezebox that randomly and currently is not singing because my "Player was not found". 

The passive tense increases the opacity of the message. WHY not tell me what exactly was looking for a player? By whom was the player not found? So I know what to reboot / reinstall?

and if it was looking for something, then what device was it looking for ? so I know what else to reboot reinstall?

Or if it was not actually looking, then why not tell me what actually happened, like "I broadcast that SSID of a fictitious temporary wireless network (that you might have noticed on your iPod) but no receivers registered their interest. (RECEIVERS! NOT PLaYERS!)"

and I just reinstalled it all again. and unplugged everything and restarted the 11 devices / entities - the router, 2x receivers, iPad, iPod Touch, android app, DaC, amp, PC Windows Server host, LMS server app, Duet controller,..

[squeezeit]

The Receiver is the model name of one model SqueezeBox player.  It receives the music file to be played and receives commands from the Controller via the LMS server and from the LMS server by itself via web UI.  The LMS server is never the player, in fact it is not capable of playing anything.

DAC's, speakers, amps are never players. 

Player and LMS are both looking for each other.  If they cannot see each other there are numerous possible reasons why.  Some common possible causes & solutions....

-  Tried connecting the player via the hardware Controller (not the web UI)?

-  Sure player and LMS server are on the same network?  Guest network?  Possibly your WiFi device connected to your neighbors WiFi?

-  Ports being used by another media program on your PC (like WMP or WinAmp or iTunes)?

-  Right click the little LMS icon, select Control Panel then select Diagnostics.  What is reported for ALL pings, ports, IP's?

-  Tried stopping & restarting LMS server from the same small LMS icon?

[WahWahWeeks]

Dear Squeezit,

Your effort is much appreciated - thank you so much. That's a Really Good Checklist. I will write it on a post-it and stick it to my screen. Just kidding, I'm not that old. I will put it in a text file on my desktop though. Thanks again.

In this case I power started the receiver and the router and restarted the LMS twice, and the 2nd time did it. 

Question: I have a "network extender" and the two wireless networks are bridged to reach the whole house. Must the squeezebox receiver and controller and server be on the same network? If so, how can I tell the squeezebox devices to all use one network and not the other?

P.S. I have a record "player" and a CD "player", and neither of those can "play" music, but they "read" music and send it to a device that can. I still think Logitech's is the only "player" that does not read its media and pass the signal forward!

Cheers again - you are a Good Man for helping me!

By the way, can YOU type a capital a in this editor? I still can't!

[garymc]

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WahWahWeeks wrote:

Question: I have a "network extender" and the two wireless networks are bridged to reach the whole house. Must the squeezebox receiver and controller and server be on the same network? If so, how can I tell the squeezebox devices to all use one network and not the other?

By the way, can YOU type a capital a in this editor? I still can't!

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Yes, same network. For example, I have a single router that hands out DHCP addresses, etc., but I have other WIFI access points setup (old routers with DHCP turned OFF).  These other WIFI APs are *not* separate networks, but are part of the same network (and have the same SSID and password as the WIFI on the original "main" router. When moving through the house, my wifi devices can easily connect to any of the WIFI APs.

Seems like your use of of a network extender should still present itself as a single network, not multiple networks. Now, if you are instead talking about which WIFI AP the SB connects to, that's a different story. The SBs won't necessarily connect to the strongest power WIFI AP. They may connect to the last one they were connected to (even though weaker).  One way around this is to actually give the nearest WIFI AP a *different* SSID. And then choose this SSID when connecting your player to WIFI.  One can have multiple SSIDs for wifi within a *single* network.

[garymc]

And yes, I can type a capital A in this forum....

[squeezeit]

The best way to understand what the "player" does is to consider them the same as your example of your record & CD player.  All of these devices read/decode the source material and then send it to an output device.  What that output device is (be it speaker(s), amp, headphones, DAC, or even no output device at all) is irrelevant.  The player is still indeed doing it's job, playing source data/information, to any or no output device. 

Another way to look at it.  Unplug the speakers and the player is still doing it's job.  Unplug the player and the speakers can't do their job.  So which is "playing" the source material?  And then if outputting that audio to multiple sets of speakers in different rooms at the same time (single output from player to multiple Zone outs from amp, or multiple outs on the SqueezeBox player to individual inputs on the amp), are each different set of speakers a "player"?

Also, your same speakers/DAC/amp is capable of performing their assigned tasks from multiple different sources (i.e. players).  So to call those items players would be quite confusing vs the way "player" has been used for over a hundred years, describing the source of the resulting output of audio.

Notice the capital A's.  

[WahWahWeeks]

a-nother a-mazing a-nswer (notice I still can't do capital "a") 

Thank you so much. Really appreciated. It will take me a while to get through the networking tips.

Cheers! - from London, England, home of the Best Olympics Ever